The Determination injections reversed the state of “fallen down” for the monsters in the Lab.
Heck even the remains of monsters can be brought back, as seen with Flowey, with Determination and a physical form to anchor to.
And I think I know why.
My body…It feels like it’s splitting apart. Like any instant…I’ll scatter into a million pieces. But… Deep, deep in my soul. There is a burning feeling I can’t describe. A burning feeling that WON’T let me die.
Monster SOUL’s have Determination in them. But unlike humans who have bodies made of physical matter, and whose Determination makes their Souls persist after death…
Monsters use their Soul’s Determination to maintain their bodily form.
That’s why even normal monsters like Gerson can live for a millennia without ever “falling down” and why monster Souls don’t last long after the Body is destroyed. Age doesn’t cause “falling down” because the age pool of monsters is at such a wide range going from Snowy’s mom to Shyrin’s sister. When monsters loose Determination it compromises their physical wellbeing.
as we know, monster souls are made of love, compassion, and hope.
losing hope or love or compassion can result in a monster ‘falling down’ or essentially dying.
chara is continually called ‘the future of humans and monsters’. monsters would have known of the Prophecy, that an angel will descend and bring the monsters freedom. there had to have been some that believed that Chara, fallen from the surface, would be that angel.
asriel was their prince, their next ruler. between the two of them, there was finally hope in the underground.
when that was taken away, at the least, 13% of monsters died.
we know approximately how many monsters there are total at ‘present times’, due to the countdowns in no mercy runs, where the goal is to grind, to kill every single monster that can be encountered. ( 20 for ruins, 16 for snowdin, 18 for waterfall, 40 for hotland/core, plus boss monsters ( toriel, papyrus, glad dummy, undyne, muffet, royal guards, mettaton neo, sans, asgore, flowey ) 105 total.
then those npcs who evacuate or are able to get out your way ( known ones: 22 for snowdin, about 10 for waterfall, 13 for hotland, 11 for the resort, 8 shopkeepers. ) bringing our total to 169
then, on the generous end, add in about? 75 monsters for those in New Home. there are roughly 239 monsters in the entire underground at the time of Frisk’s run.
we know a minimum for how many monsters ‘fell down’ in alphys time, which couldn’t have been much before Frisk falls into the Underground. at least, we know how many monsters fell down ‘outside the city’, as we can determine how many monsters make up each amalgamate. ( 6 for each memoryhead, at least 5 for endogeny, 3 for reaper bird, at least 3 for lemon bread, 17 for snowdrake’s mom, at least 1 for the one that tucks Frisk in ) 35 monsters at a minimum.
265 monsters total and even with six souls in their possession, when there was only one more soul to go, when hope should be at it’s peak, 13% of monsters died.
how many monsters had fallen done before? when hope was initially taken way? how many monsters died when they learned that ‘the future of humans and monsters’, that their prince had died, at humans hands?
with huge percentages of his kingdom literally dying because they did not have hope, no wonder asgore acted as he did. not to excuse the lives he took, but to put it into some form of perspective. his people were dying.
Yes, I totally agree with the above.
A hopeless monster would likely be more physically vulnerable to “falling down” then a monster with hope in their hearts.
Since monsters don’t get “sick” like humans do, because we have to maintain physical health for our physical bodies, monsters on the other hand have t stay emotionally healthy to maintain their magical bodies. They have to keep their spirits up in order to thrive.
Which explains how a monster like laughing, smiling old Gerson:
is able to live for so long without “falling down.”
This could also explain why at Chara’s deathbed Toriel and Asgore are trying to encourage Chara to wake up by staying determined:
Because for a monster hope is the best medicine.
Interesting idea. Potentially puts Mettaton’s role as an entertainer and Undyne’s as The Heroine Who Never Gives Up in a new light too.
Undertale timeline theory: The year Chara came to the Underground,
is the same year the royal family moved the capital from “Home” to “New Home.”
Here is my reasoning:
At Toriel’s house in the Ruins we find a calendar from
beginning of the year 201X and we find a calendar from the end of the year 201X
(with the day of Chara’s arrival circled on it) at Asgore’s home.
When Toriel left her husband a year probably already passed (at
least) before Chara and Asriel’s death and I doubt she would have taken
something like an old calendar with her during her sudden disappearance. (She
was also allegedly transporting Chara’s body to the Ruins to be buried so it’s
most likely she couldn’t take much else with her)
My guess is that during the move from Home to New Home the royal family left
most of the houses furnishings behind in case they ever needed to come back to
the old capital for business or vacationing.
Also, building a new Capital
City would take time, “Rome was not built in a
day,” after all. But one of the first buildings to go up would have been the
Royal Family’s living quarters, and considering how humbly they live compared
to other examples of royalty, it would have taken roughly around a year to complete.
There are also the living arraignments of Home and New Home
to consider. The kid’s room in Home has one bed and the table setting in the
living room has two adult chairs and one kid’s sized chair. Whereas in New home
we see two beds in the children’s room and a total of four chairs.
This would mean that Asriel had lived in Home for a while, which is much closer
to the Ruins where Chara fell in, making their chance meeting more probable
than if Asriel had been living at New Home during the year 201X.
Another plausible support for this is how the monster
history book stated that the monsters went further into the mountain because “They
feared the humans no longer.”
Could Chara’s coming to the underground and
becoming a part of the royal family contributed to this change in sentiment?
honestly just really like undertale 