nb stuff – honestly just really like undertale

saveloadreset:

Now, I have made a couple posts about gender in the past. In the interest of clearing the air, I wanted to establish a few things very firmly, because I feel like some things may be getting lost in a sea of venom.

If You Think Frisk/Chara Has A Binary Gender:

I don’t hate you.

I don’t wish ill on you.

I don’t even dislike you.

I am, at most, frustrated.

I think that anyone who sends you hate about it is being trash.

People are sending around a lot of vicious rhetoric about it, on both sides of the spectrum, and no matter what, there is no excuse to be a dick to anyone. I include you, who think Frisk/Chara have a binary or mutable gender, under the umbrella of all those who deserve protection.

Whether You Believe They Have A Binary Gender Or Not:

There’s no problem whatsoever with running askblogs or writing fiction that bends their gender a bit. Your work, your rules.

There is no call for harassing askblogs, as each has its own canon, is own interpretation. No one cares if someone plays a character a little out of touch with the source material, inventing whole new scenes, reinventing characters in little ways and developing what were canon-adjacent into something new.

Therefore, if anyone harasses THEM, whether that’s for using she/he for Frisk/Chara, vice-versa, they are being trash. Someone who engages in harassment is being terrible, period.

That Said:

I think Frisk and Chara are canon non-binary and think it really hurts when they are not seen as such. There is no contradiction between what I said before and what I said now.

I think it’s harmful that Frisk and Chara are so often not seen as default non-binary, but I can believe that at the same time I think it’s wrong to harass someone about it in the same way I can believe that it’s shitty to stick a thumb in somebody’s eye even if they just said something insensitive about my gender.

I Just Ask You Consider:

Asking yourself how much proof a piece of media would have to provide for you to accept that a character is non-binary. Define the terms, think of exact circumstances, draw up and examine the gates of proof they would have to pass through.

Would it require the use of pronouns applied to that gender?

Would it require the deliberate bending of gender roles by the character, ‘coding’ non-binary?

Would it require subtle hints that could be passed off as jokes?

Would it require an overt moment where the character turns and says to another character, “I, Character, Am Nonbinary?”

Now, walk through the same through process for whether a character is male or female.

If they went by he or she, would that not be enough?

If they, having gone by he or she, also leaned toward mostly gendered things, would that not be enough?

If they, having passed those gates of pronouns and behaviors, had a few moments were their gender was nudged at in jokes by the medium, would that not be enough?

Would none of that be enough? Would you turn round and insist that they look at the camera and say ‘I, ____, am a man/woman!’

Compare how many of those gates the non-binary character would need to pass through compared to the male or female character. How many affirmations would they need? How many hints?

Consider that Frisk and Chara have already passed through the first three gates.

How many did your binary gendered character pass? Would they also have to go through all four gates? Were there fewer? Why?

Understand that reading Frisk and Chara as gender mutable means asserting non-binary characters must prove their gender far more than a binary gendered character.

Think about why you believe that having non-binary characters prove themselves more than a binary character to make Frisk and Chara’s gender mutable is somehow a more tolerant perspective. See if that holds up to scrutiny.

And last but not least please, stop concern trolling, pretending the whole message of ‘Frisk/Chara are non-binary’ is poisonous just because a few abusers have, like they always do with any cause they can justify, latched onto it as an excuse.