I’ve been wondering this for a while and haven’t been able to think of the answer myself so if u have an idea i’d love to hear it (of course no pressure or anything) but why do you think Flowey mistakes frisk for chara so quickly in genocide? I mean It’s not just in genocide cuz he mistakes them in true pacifist as well but he does it immediately in genocide. I’m all about the chara not being completely awful and narrachara but i haven’t figured this one out. Any thoughts? Thanks!

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Alright, so, we can establish right off, that Flowey projects. He projects like crazy. He is constantly trying to convince Frisk to be the kind of person that will do the Kill-All run. Insisting the world is kill or be killed, trying to goad them into murdering him at the end of the first neutral run and being CREEPILY happy with Frisk when they do cut him down. Like, imo, he has wanted Frisk to be his Chara from the very start. 

The fact that his Chara is hanging out in there is pretty much a bonus.

Now, what is Chara to Asriel/Flowey? Chara is a memory of love, Chara is a partner, Chara is as close to a sibling as Asriel could ever want. Someone who is with him, someone who is like him, someone who understands him. That is what Flowey wants out of this world. So, let’s put it like this. You see some kid killing monsters mercilessly, without mercy. Killing everyone and everything. You’re Flowey, and you’ve seen something like this before. But you’ve only seen it because you did it. 

This person is like you! LIke you, SOULless, empty, not caring about anyone! Aha! They’re like you! They understand you! They’re Chara! To be honest, I think that Asriel is super eager to see Chara in any entity in this world that is like them, and that understands them. Because that is the role that Chara played in his life. And it’s the role he wants them to have in this death.

Did you know, if you abort a Kill-All run, Flowey still calls Frisk Chara. He calls Frisk Chara all the time. If you spare Asgore he says, ‘Chara, you haven’t learned a thing, in this world, I T S K I L L O R B E K I L L E D.’ You can spare him. You can start to befriend everyone. He’ll ask if you’re loving people and being loved as revenge against him, by doing all of those things while he .  .  can’t. Does he ever say ‘but are you really Chara?’ Does he ever stop and ask, ‘Chara, why are you doing this, this isn’t like you!’

No, he doesn’t. Even when he’s trying super hard to push us onto the murder path in the Omega Flowey fight, he’s insisting that chara doesn’t understand the world yet, insists he’ll kill ‘everyone you love’ to try to goad us into killing him. 

These are tactics we would expect to work on Chara. Telling them they haven’t ‘learned their lesson,’ a lesson that lots of people are convinced Chara taught Asriel, turns out to be something that Flowey have no problem trying to teach Chara. ‘I’ll kill everyone you love!’ To goad us into attacking. Hurting those Chara loved, as an effective way to get them to fight him. ‘You haven’t learned a thing’ as though Chara didn’t live their life by ‘kill or be killed.’ They loved people and would go to bat for them, and didn’t think the world was dog-eat-dog. That’s the only conclusion we can draw from this.

And if you reject that run, do pacifist, and talk to Asriel in the flower bed, he’ll say he doesn’t understand why he ever thought Frisk was Chara. Even if you’ve started a Kill-all run. No matter how long we followed that kill-all run through before aborting or resetting. Not ‘when you were hurting people, you reminded me of Chara, that’s why I thought you were them.’ Just ‘yeah I don’t know why I ever thought that, I was a weird flower, you’re nothing like Chara.’

tl;dr: While Asriel seems to be eager to see Chara in a Frisk who begins the Kill-All run, the fact that he is just as eager to teach who he sees as Chara the ‘lessons’ of kill or be killed and never doubts that they are Chara no matter who they love or save or befriend, casts doubt on the hypothesis that the reason he makes that observation is because Chara was cruel while alive.